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This is what I've learned going to web sites and talking to technicians on the phone:


The Peirspeed 250 has 21 HP, 4 wheel independent suspension with rear swing arms and 6" of travel, chain driven with two wheel rear drive , 8" ground clearance with 19" and 22" tires front and rear


The Kasea 250 has 19 HP, 4 wheel independent suspension with rear swing arms and 7.5" of travel, is not chain driven but has a differential but it is an "open diff" with only one drive wheel, 11" ground clearance with 22" and 25" tires front and rear.


The Dazon 250 has 12.5 HP, 4 wheel independent suspension with rear swing arms, was told they are going back to a straight live axle which now lessens the ground clearance and suspension travel (the Dazon 150/175 only have 5.5" ground clearance and 2.5 " travel ), 21" and 22" tires front and rear.


For rocky rutted muddy trails I think the Peirspeed is better. Going up one tire size front and rear to increase ground clearance is a possibility.


Feel free to give your opinions.


Future Kart rider:



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Anonymous

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I just stumbled across this site doing research myself. I am more interested in a 250cc Kart instead of a 150cc Kart. Something with more oomph. Thanks for the info.


Another future kart rider



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I got a Dazon Raider now and it has been alot of fun. I am looking to upgrade to a 250 model for more power come spring. I was waiting for the Dazon 250 to come out but after reading the comparison info I am going to check out these Peirspeeds


 


 



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Anonymous

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Checked them out, awesome video, These look like the way to go.

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I bought a Peirspeed and it is a piece of ****. Broken more then running.


Not familiar with other brands but the have got to be better then this thing. I am selling it CHEAP if anyone wants it. Located in Boulder City.


Jack



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My dad got us a Pierspeed. The thing is a slug. The technicians say it will go faster after break in but we have already put 20hrs on it and it seems very slow. Plus my dad had to rewire everything because of a short during the first week but it starts fine now.


Does anyone know how to make this thing go faster? Bigger pistin, pipe or anything?


dirtkid



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I have been looking into these 250 go karts for about a month now. Great to see things like this forum out there.


Not sure where you got that info but it is incorrect. Pierspeed is only 14 horse power as listed in their site. No dealers in my area so I have not touched one yet.


I am waiting for the Dazon specs and kart to compare. From the pictures I think they look better....tougher. The Peirspeed kart has the thin wimpy bar and a cheesy seat. Dazon has a racing seat and thicker padded bars. 


Another note: I went to test drive a Kasea and to the horror of the salesman it ran very rough with backfires and all. I know they are probably not all like that but it was a pitiful display.


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"I bought a Peirspeed and it is a piece of ****. Broken more then running. Not familiar with other brands but the have got to be better then this thing. I am selling it CHEAP if anyone wants it. Located in Boulder City. Jack"

Now much Jack? I have a 400 Iwant to throw in it!

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Anonymous

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I recently talked with the Dazon factory, and they informed me that they are going to be releasing a 2005 Raider MAX 250!!! They are going to be using the Raider MAX frame with a 19hp 250cc watercooled engine......I dont know how everyone else feels but I think this is what we have all been waiting for. 

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Anonymous

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A dealer in AZ sells Dazons and Peirspeeds. He said his Dazon 250 has an independent suspension just like the Peirspeed 250. He also said they are comparable machines. If the new 250 is put in a 150 Raider frame, will that not hurt suspension travel and ground clearance? The Raider 150 specs say 5 1/2 " ground clearance and 2 1/2 " travel. How effective is a Raider type suspension on very rocky Jeep and ATV trails? Don't tell me to buy an ATV?


Perspective buyer



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Anonymous

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Went and looked at the Kaseas yesterday. Positive:The 250 looked very well built, the 4 way independent suspension was well supported with 3 support arms plus the axle, looks like it can handle lateral forces, the frame was not spot welded, suspension travel was impressive. Negative:Was not able to test drive, cant get passed the open diff and it is wide, will not fit in my truck. The Kasea 150r looked exactly like the Dazon Raider 150. Does r=Raider?


I may be going to AZ to look at the Peirspeeds next weekend, barring any snow storms. I will be able to test drive. Will give an up-date.


Perspective buyer trying to make the best decision for my purposeand future Kart rider


 



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just my opinion, but stay far away from the Pierspeed, or Cobra 250 kart.  Is is actually only producing 13hp at best, although it is listed as 17hp.  Before I bought my Dazon, I called every Pierspeed dealer on this side of the country and got discouraged because even their dealers were telling us how slow they were, and they were trying to sell them!  I also watched that long boring video and all I saw were a couple of good ol' bubbas riding in the mud at 15mph.  When I went to Oregon over the summer, I saw dune buggy rental places all up and down the coastline.  One of them had 5 or 6 of the Kasea 250's "for sale", all lined up in a row in their parking lot.  When I stopped to ask them about them, the owners of the rental store told me he would sell me all of them for $2000 a piece just so he could get rid of them.  Apparently, he purchased them for his rental business and told me that they are just not reliable and ride very rough.  They were only 3 weeks old (and looked in very good condition) but was told that each one of them had the same major problems with the engine mounting, bad vibrations, and he could not get any parts for them.  They looked like a copy of the Honda Pilots and looked like lots of fun but the owner wouldnt let me rent one because he told me he ended up refunding just about everyone that rented one and didn't want to lose any more money with these things.



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suspension travel for the raider/twister/kpx/kasea style carts are all the same.

it is advertised as 6" front and rear, but I measured mine at 5" actual in front, looks close to 6" in rear. the specs for the raider are for shock travel not the same as suspension travel.

as far as peirspeed, they look exactly the same (as the dazon 250), just less foam padding on bars and cheaper seat. do a search on peirspeed buggy review on google for more info. New ones look slightly different than ones on peirspeeds site.

I know I read where one of the magazines "broke" the kasea single seat 250 but the 150 held up much better. you can google this also

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Went to Flagstaff to a Dazon/Peirspeed dealer.  Test drove the Peirspeed 251 and then test drove a hopped up Dazon 150.  The test drive was in a field and down a trail.  I liked them both.  Each is good in their own right, each fills a specific niche.  If I was going to ride in the dunes and down not too rough trails, I would choose the Dazon.  If I was going to ride down rocky, rough, and rutted trails, I would choose the Peirspeed.  The independent suspension and greater suspension travel of the Peirspeed has Dazon beat in this regard.


I DO like the tighter turning radius of the Dazon but did NOT like fighting to put the Dazon in reverse.  The dealer even mentioned this.


As far as the Peirspeed being under powered, I just didn't see it or feel it, or maybe I am just a bubba.  But if one of the first things everybody does is put a White bros pipe on a Dazon, they must be underpowered also.


If all anybody can say is "they have cheesy seats", I can not help you.


As far as buggy breakage goes, things do break but I wonder how much is the drivers fault.   If brand A and brand B are so bad they would not be in business.  I understand this is a "Dazon" forum, but EVERY OTHER brand is SOOOOOOO bad.


A suspension SYSTEM consists of springs (leaf, coil) or torsion bars or twin I beams AND shocks.  You can not have 6" suspension travel with 5" shock travel or 5" suspension travel with 6" shock travel.  Think about it.


In closing, I like the Dazon AND the Peirspeed but the test drive said it all.


 



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shocks are mounted inboard of the a-arms, therefore they do not have to "travel" as far. If the shock is mounted halfway up the a-arm, you only get half the travel.

I don't think any of these carts are more reliable than the other, however, I would say the 150's are simpler, with far less drivetrain to go bad. Not sure about all that dual chain setup on the peirspeed.

I doubt power is that much different from one 250 to the next. I don't think they have been producing the motor long enough to spec different heads etc.

I am with you as far as the dazon bias but hey, sandhighway is putting this forum on so you really can't complain. And the dazon 150's do have a better head/cylinder that everyone I have talked to does make more power.

I much prefer the 150's, the 250 peirspeed and the like are HUGE, not too good of turning radius and much heavier, they don't seem much faster if any unless you have 2 heavy adults in each cart.

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I will concede in an arc set-up it is possible for the shock to travel less than the tire in a vertical plane if the shock is placed closer to the pivot point. In my haste I did not think of this set-up, Sorry.


But, in this set-up, suspension travel MUST be defined as the amount of distance that the tire travels in the vertical, 5 or 6" is still better than 3".



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I am not sure where you are getting the 3"? most of these carts advertise at least 6", it could be a misprint somewhere.

Did you think the 250 was much faster than the 150? where they both double seaters?

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The test drive was on a stock Peirspeed 250 single seat and a hopped up Dazon 150 single seat that the dealer uses for racing. The dealer told me that with the 150 hopped up, it was about equal to the stock 250. He also told me that putting an FMF pipe on the 250 would substantially improve the power of the 250. My impression of the speed of each buggy was that they ran about the same speed. The difference that I noticed most was with the suspension.


On a personal note, for MY needs, I am not looking for something that is fast, I am looking for something that can handle slower speed driving and handle more rocky terrain, more torquey.


I am not knocking the Dazon, If I was going to do most of my driving here in Utah at the Salt Flats or at Little Sahara I would buy it, but I am going to do most of my driving on ATV and Jeep trails in the dessert. I feel the Peirspeeds independent suspension is better suited for this type of driving.



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That's all fine but my Pierspeed has had sooo many problems I hate it. I think my dealer recommended it so he could do warranty repairs on it!! You right it is kinda heavy too. I think I wil try squeezing a larger engine into a Dazon 150 chasis. Has anyone tried this? Will the lighter chasis handle the weight of a bigger engine?


Kranky



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I will agree, the pierspeed does have a smoother ride having independednt suspension......BUT I have seent the twin swing arm suspension (independent rear) fail!!! They are unable to withstand a side impact!!! If you slide, with any speed into a structure (ex:rut, rock, burm, uneven ground) the swing arm will fold in!!!! I have seen it happen and when it does the frame is pretty much toast. So if your application is rock CRAWLING then the pierspeed would be fine but if you are baja-ing over rough terrain, I would go with the Dazon! Thats just my 2 cents...

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I have a Peirspeed 250 single seat and I love it. I ride it pretty hard and it rides good. Just my 4 cents...

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I purchased a Dazon 250 prototype w/ 4wh.ind. suspension and it could not handle any better on rocky terrain.Shame is that the new 250s are going to go back to the 150 type suspension and frame.I also have a 150 and it is no comparison to the 250 in performance,ride smoothness,and operator room.Wish they wouldnt change a thing except a BIGGER ENGINE!!!

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Great idea if your 5ft. 6in. and 150lbs. Us big guys like to ride too.

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"I will agree, the pierspeed does have a smoother ride having independednt suspension......BUT I have seent the twin swing arm suspension (independent rear) fail!!! They are unable to withstand a side impact!!! If you slide, with any speed into a structure (ex:rut, rock, burm, uneven ground) the swing arm will fold in!!!! I have seen it happen and when it does the frame is pretty much toast. So if your application is rock CRAWLING then the pierspeed would be fine but if you are baja-ing over rough terrain, I would go with the Dazon! Thats just my 2 cents..."

The 250 i have has been reinforced around the swingarm/frame connection/ I have driven it hard with no failure to date.4mnths. of hard riding

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I have put alot of time doing research on the internet and talking to people on the phone about these Karts/buggies. Decide what is best for you and your needs. Decide what is important for you. How are you going to drive it and over what type of terrain? What type of after market equipment if any is available? Do you even want after market equipment? What is the size and age of the drivers? How much power do you want? How is the companies support?


I can go to one site and they swear by Twisters. I can go to another sight and they swear by Blades and the X-terro. I come to this site and you swear by Dazons. And go to all the sites and someone will always like the Peirspeeds.


There are alot of opinions out there but take them at face value. Find out the facts. You may go to a site and read 3 bad reviews for a Kart but does that make the Kart bad? I personally do not like the Mona Lisa. I think it is an ugly painting. Does that make the painting bad? No Kart or company is perfect and you are bound to have a problem with it down the road, pun intended, it is taking a beating.


Do your research, make the best informed decision you can but make YOUR decision for YOUR needs. Case in point: Last fall I wanted to upgrade my differentials on my 4WD F-150. I wanted to replace my Ford Traction-Lok Limited slip in the rear and put something in the front. I did a lot of research and decided on the new Eaton posi-traction in the rear and an Eaton E-Locker in the front. I knew about Detroit Lockers and I researched them as well and decided that no matter how good and strong they are I just did not want to deal with there quirks.


I have made my decision on what I am going to buy and I think it is the best decision for me. I am going to get a _________.


Have fun and stay safe.



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I have both a Piespeed and a Dazon Raider and the Raider just runs better and it seems tougher. Don't know about any others but my Raider is super fun. Lots of little cliches with my Pierspeed. Nothing major but little things that nag and maker me wonder how long it will hold up.


Jack



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All These karts use a cvt drive system only after you get all that polished metal in the drive system ruffer then the unites get faster. I have seen the difference this can make on the dazon 150 classic and even the carter talon 150. but a high flow air system well work great as a new muffler. 



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We do a lot of trail riding with a peirspeed 2 seater / honda FL 250 odyssey / Artic cat 650


put a raceing pipe on the peirspeed and have a lot of fun the peirspeed will run out at about 40 mph I could change the sprocket set and go faster but speed to power set up is just about right the odyssey is set up for raceing and will get up to about 50 to 55 but it will not go where the peirspeed will go this thing has been a great kart 2 years old now about 200 to 300 hrs on it we ride a lot of rocky hill traine and have had no problems. As far as wrenching on them that is just part of riding hard things break I spend about 2hrs befor we go out and go over everything on the karts.  I am 6'3" 225 lbs my son is 6' 165 and it will take us where we want to  go. I think the seat is not to bad it is cheap to chang if you  want.



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