Has anyone had any experience riding fairly large dunes with a Dazon? Is there sufficient power? I am talking about some like box car or competition on the Oregon coast. I have been out of riding since I sold my 250R three wheeler back in 1993, but I want to get my kids in to it. HOWEVER, my wife is having none of the motorcycle or 4 wheeler scene (due to an accident caused by irresponsible riding on her brothers part). So, I have her talked into one of the buggies. I have been searching the net, and I am CONFUSED as to which one is the best product.
Kasea and Twister and Dazon -- Oh My!!!!
My boys (60 - 80 lbs) and me (220 lbs) will be using the buggies for both sand riding, and ranch boulder bouncing. Does the 150 cc four stroke really have enough juice to make the dunes fun? I know we aren't going to be talking about Honda pilot kind of power, but are we at least talking Honda Odysee kind of power? Any help would be great. I will be buying at least one buggy, I am just trying to make a smart choice. Thanks. Dan
quote: Originally posted by: Anonymous "Has anyone had any experience riding fairly large dunes with a Dazon? Is there sufficient power? I am talking about some like box car or competition on the Oregon coast. I have been out of riding since I sold my 250R three wheeler back in 1993, but I want to get my kids in to it. HOWEVER, my wife is having none of the motorcycle or 4 wheeler scene (due to an accident caused by irresponsible riding on her brothers part). So, I have her talked into one of the buggies. I have been searching the net, and I am CONFUSED as to which one is the best product. Kasea and Twister and Dazon -- Oh My!!!! My boys (60 - 80 lbs) and me (220 lbs) will be using the buggies for both sand riding, and ranch boulder bouncing. Does the 150 cc four stroke really have enough juice to make the dunes fun? I know we aren't going to be talking about Honda pilot kind of power, but are we at least talking Honda Odysee kind of power? Any help would be great. I will be buying at least one buggy, I am just trying to make a smart choice. Thanks. Dan "
The Kasea, Twister, and Dazon karts are all basically identically as they're manufactured by the same company (Tong Jian) in China. If you live in California and want to register the kart for legal off-road use, your choice is really limited to the Dazon 150's. The 250's are not yet registerable in CA.
I purchased a Dazon 150R 2-seater recently and took it to the Oceano Dunes (on the central California coast) and it sucked in the dry sand (constatly getting the back tires buried). This was bone stock (with the exception of a custom air intake), so I'm hoping it will do better next time with the new White Bros pipe (which seems to help the power considerably), paddle tires, aluminum wheels, and hopefully a jet/filter kit.
The kart did fine on the beach where the sand was wet and hard packed (quite fun), but there is a 15 MPH speed limit and a lot of traffic on the beach, so it's not *that* fun. The kart does great on dirt roads and such, but I've yet to see one perform in the dunes. Supposedly paddles make a big difference. For $400+ for a set of wheels and tires all around, I sure hope so!
Thanks Rob. I will have to make sure I get the pipe, paddles and rejet kit. Are they special wheels and tires, or can I just go get a set of sandskates for a quad?
If they are the same, what is sandhighway talking about when they say that the Dazon has gotten more upgrades than the other models?
quote: Originally posted by: danvan "Thanks Rob. I will have to make sure I get the pipe, paddles and rejet kit. Are they special wheels and tires, or can I just go get a set of sandskates for a quad? If they are the same, what is sandhighway talking about when they say that the Dazon has gotten more upgrades than the other models? "
My Dazon kart came with 10" wheels front and back, with 22x11-10 in the rear and 22x7-10 tires in the front. These are pretty standard ATV sizes. I want to get aluminum wheels when I get the paddles tires (as a kit), but I don't yet know the correct measurements of the bolt pattern.
I don't really know what sandhighway is referring to, specifically. I know Dazon has gone through the red tape necessary to get their ATVs registered for legal use in California ("green sticker"), so that's what made the decision for me. The Kaseas and Twisters also come in "deluxe" versions with fenders, turn signals, rear view mirror, etc. which Dazon does not offer.
quote: Originally posted by: danvan "Thanks Rob. I will have to make sure I get the pipe, paddles and rejet kit. Are they special wheels and tires, or can I just go get a set of sandskates for a quad? If they are the same, what is sandhighway talking about when they say that the Dazon has gotten more upgrades than the other models? "
Yes the frame and components are basically the same on all brands. Dazon has come out with first the FMF pipe and then the White Brothers pipe. The carb kit and air filter are on the way. These are the upgrades I am referring too. There are differences in the engines for these units. Aftermarket parts made for the Dazon may not fit your Kasea or Twister kart.
As for performance, the two seat 150 is really not made for deep sand or dune riding anyway. The doubles are made for an adult and a child just cruising around. Anyone who bills it as a deep dune kart is misleading. True with the upgrades of the pipe, hop up kit and paddle tires it will do OK out there but that is not why it is made. The Single seater perform much better because they are lighter and after all it is a 150.
I think Dazon is headed toward performance focusing on the new water-cooled models and larger powerplants. If you are looking for horns and blinkers then by all means you should look at the other brands. Not much use for those components out on the Sand Highway!
Rob is correct about the California Air Resource Board certification. Basically it is illegal for any dealer to sell the other brands in California. Dazon has gone through the process and paid the ridiculous fees to get this so it tells me they will be around for a long time.
We have tested just about every brand out here and the Dazon Raiders just seem more durable and aggressive. Personally I have put tons of hours on my 2003 Raider Classic and the thing still looks new. No major problems after almost two years.
